Fragmentos de meteoritos
En el original inglés, el término “fragment” y sus afijos aparecen 115 veces y se traduce en las dos traducciones como “fragmento”
fragment = fragmento
Esa palabra aparece generalmente referida al Modelador del Pensamiento indicando que es una parte prepersonal de Dios que habita en nosotros y que se hará personal a medida que nos fisionemos con él. Pero para un hablante nativo de español, esa palabra conlleva algo material.
Una mejor traducción sería “PARTE”, quizás “FRACCIÓN”.
Si observamos, la traducción sevillana:
17.2) 0:12.13 […] Pero sabemos que un FRAGMENTO DE DIOS vive en la mente humana y que el Espíritu de la Verdad reside con el alma humana; y sabemos también que estas fuerzas espirituales conspiran para permitir que el hombre material capte la realidad de los valores espirituales y comprenda la filosofía de los significados universales. Pero sabemos incluso con mayor seguridad que estos espíritus de la Presencia Divina son capaces de ayudar al hombre para que se apropie espiritualmente de toda verdad que contribuya a realzar la realidad siempre en progreso de la experiencia religiosa personal — la conciencia de Dios.
Creo que mejor:
Pero sabemos que una FRACCIÓN/PARTE DE DIOS vive en la mente humana y que el Espíritu de la Verdad reside con el alma humana;
ESTUDIO
Si vemos el diccionario de la DRAE, nos damos cuenta de ello:
fragmento.
(Del lat. fragmentum).
1. m. Parte o porción pequeña de algunas cosas quebradas o partidas.
2. m. Trozo o resto de una obra escultórica o arquitectónica.
3. m. Trozo de una obra literaria o musical.
4. m. Parte conservada de un libro o escrito.
En la acepción nº 1 tenemos que se dice “quebradas” o “partidas” solo se puede quebrar o partir algo material. También se dice trozo. Cuando se menciona “parte” también se alude aquí a algo material: “parte de un libro”.
Veamos el inglés:
Fragment
–noun
1. a part broken off or detached: scattered fragments of the broken vase.
2. an isolated, unfinished, or incomplete part: She played a fragment of her latest composition.
3. an odd piece, bit, or scrap.
En este idioma, la connotación no es siempre material, aunque para un nativo pueda connotarla también a menudo. Se habla de una parte “broken off” (partida), pero también detached (separada); igualmente, se dice “incompleta”, justo lo que el Modelador es. Dos sinónimos de “fragment” son “fraction” y “part”.
La expresión “a fragment of God” aparece 18.700 veces en la red; sin embargo ”un fragmento de Dios”, 5.260 veces, en muchos casos referidos al Libro de Urantia. Sin embargo, “una parte de Dios” tiene 408.000 ocurrencias y “una fracción de Dios”, 1.590 resultados
El sustantivo “parte”, también “fracción”, podría conformar una traducción adecuada de “fragment:
Pero veamos:
fracción.
(Del lat. fractĭo, -ōnis).
1. f. División de algo en partes.
2. f. Cada una de las partes separadas de un todo o consideradas como separadas.
3. f. Cada uno de los grupos de un partido u organización, que difieren entre sí o del conjunto, y que pueden llegar a independizarse.
Realmente esta palabra se acerca mucho (1, 2) a lo que el modelador es.
La palabra “fraction” en inglés tiene significados diferentes en ingles que en español
frac•tion (frkshn)
n.
1. Mathematics An expression that indicates the quotient of two quantities, such as 1/3 .
2. A disconnected piece; a fragment.
3. A small part; a bit: moved a fraction of a step.
4. A chemical component separated by fractionation.
Es por ello por lo para un nativo “fracción” no es aceptable
Veamos ejemplos claros de la red:
El Espíritu que habita en nosotros (1ª Cor. 3.16) no es una parte, no es una FRACCIÓN de Dios, sino el propio Dios en su divinidad. 'Yo y el Padre vendremos a vosotros y haremos morada en vosotros', nos dice Jesús (Jn. 14:23). [http://miavtj.metroblog.com/la_medida_de_la_fe_y_la_medida_de_cristo]
Recordemos, que en cada ser viviente mora una FRACCIÓN DE DIOS, esto llevó a decir al maestro Jesús: "vosotros también sois dioses": una pequeña obra de metáforas nos dice que nuestro cuerpo humano es un microcosmos y nuestro espíritu un micro- Dios. Esa PORCIÓN DE LA DIVINIDAD haciendo PARTE del hombre integral, no nos conduce al panteísmo. Por el contrario, espiritualmente nos inmortaliza, fortaleciendo nuestro Yo, para conservar la individualidad eternamente. Esto se conquista, en todas nuestras luchas reencarnatorias, en la vida física y en los diferentes mundos paralelos, convirtiéndose todas las vivencias, en patrimonio eterno del espíritu.
http://www.monografias.com/trabajos58/psiquismo-y-elementales/psiquismo-y-elementales.shtml
El hombre es una FRACCIÓN DE DIOS, pero es una fracción de los modos de dos de sus atributos, y como en este sentido Dios constituye al hombre,... [
www.filosofia.org/aut/azc/sfm208.pdf]
Vemos que se usa igualmente porción.
Incluso hay lectores del libro que lo usan:
Cuando nazca del Espíritu, como dijo Jesús-Miguel de Nebadón; nuestro amado Padre de creación y hermano en la carne, entonces y no antes, cuando mi alma se fusione con esa FRACCIÓN DE DIOS mismo que reside en mi (el Ajustador); entonces y solo entonces... todas estas realidades serán por siempre Verdad! [http://www.urantiaecuador.com/musicacantosversos.htm]
En la Iglesia Católica se habla de “la fracción del pan”, de “panes fraccionados” con referencia a la Eucaristía en lugar de “la fragmentación del pan” o “de panes fragmentados” para realzar el simbolismo de fraccionar del todo una parte inmaterial del cuerpo de Cristo.
Parte es otra posibilidad:
Diccionario de la lengua española © 2005 Espasa-Calpe:
Parte (Del lat. pars, partis).
1. f. Porción indeterminada de un todo.
2. f. Cantidad o porción especial o determinada de un agregado numeroso.
3. f. Porción que le corresponde a alguien en cualquier reparto o distribución.
4. f. sitio (‖ lugar).
5. f. Cada una de las divisiones principales, comprensivas de otras menores, que suele haber en una obra científica o literaria.
6. f. En ciertos géneros literarios, obra entera, pero relacionada con otra u otras que también se llaman partes; p. ej., una trilogía.
7. f. Cada uno de los ejércitos, facciones, sectas, banderías, etc., que se oponen, luchan o contienden.
Hay cientos de miles de casos con ejemplos de “parte de Dios”:
Y al lado de esta gran diferencia entre el panteísmo y la idea cristiana en cuanto a Dios, por lo general hay otra. Por lo común los panteístas creen que Dios, por decirlo así, anima el universo como el hombre anima su propio cuerpo; que el universo casi es Dios, que si él no existiera tampoco existiría Dios, y que todo lo que hallamos en el universo es una PARTE DE DIOS… [http://www.statveritas.com.ar/Varios/Lewis-06.htm]
La omnipresencia es un atributo exclusivo de Dios. Es la cualidad de estar presente en todas partes, todo el tiempo (Jer. 23:23,24). Dios no está limitado ni por el espacio ni por el tiempo, que son creaciones suyas. La omnipresencia no significa que la naturaleza sea UNA PARTE DE DIOS o sea Dios y por tanto digna de adoración. La Creación es una hechura de Dios y diferente de Su ser, pero no independiente de El. http://www.carm.org/espanol/dicionario/m-o.htm
El problema es que en el libro a veces se usa “parte”, también para indicar lo mismo. Quizás se podría usar en esos casos, porción o partícula. Otra posibilidad es usar fracción/parte. Por esta última me inclino en este momento.
Envié esta pregunta a nativos en lengua inglesa, lectores y no lectores del libro:
COMENTARIO DE LECTORES DEL LIBRO
Hi, all.
In Spanish the word “fragmento”, a translation of “fragment” (as the Thought Adjusters) always connotes something material (fragments of a broken vase), does it have the same material connotation for an English speaker?
–noun
1. a part broken off or detached: scattered fragments of the broken vase.
2. an isolated, unfinished, or incomplete part: She played a fragment of her latest composition.
3. an odd piece, bit, or scrap.
Thank you.
Ángel
Hi, Ángel -
Yes, I've often wondered about their choosing "fragment," because in English it usually refers to something broken off from something, which doesn't really seem accurate for the Thought Adjusters, who are individualized parts of the I AM, who is indivisible - it's all very paradoxical.
"Part" sounds better to me, because it also includes the idea of a role, as in a play (each of our lives being a role), and can also refer to a musical part that someone plays in an orchestra. Thought Adjusters are identical except for their experiences, and different "parts" can be very different from each other, in size, quality, etc., like fragments, but without the sense of being broken off from the whole - though "part" can have that meaning also.
Particle also seems to fit them better than fragment or fraction, because it carries the connotation of equal parts, like atomic particles, which are identical except for their "experiences." But the revelators certainly knew English well, and must have made the choice of "fragment" for some reason. I just don't know what it was. (Stan)
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[GH] The short answer for me is 'yes', the standard material definitions transfer adequately to trying to describe the existence of Father Fragments.
Although all the definitions are describing a material aspect or phenomenon (as expected on our world), I would suggest that the first and second both are a reasonable fit. I have no experience with English (prior to the UBook) where the word 'fragment' has been applied to a personality, but for me the UBook's application works pretty much like the first two definitions (without the material examples) even when used to describe 'parts' of the Universal Father.
That is, as I conceive of the intended meaning of the UBook's term "Father Fragment", I understand that term as "a part broken off or detached" and "an isolated, unfinished, or incomplete part". Both work for me. Perhaps the combination of both works best to describe my understanding...'a part detached, isolated, unfinished, or incomplete'. The first two descriptors -- 'detached and isolated' match my understanding of the UBook's intention as do 'unfinished, or incomplete' especially since we are informed that the TA is "pre-personal" and becomes finished and complete (as do we) upon fusion with their mortal personality of assignment.
So, trying not to overcomplicate things, for me 'fragmento' in Spanish probably works just fine.
I'm a little curious, Ángel, if you use 'fragmento' directly, does that result in 'Padre Fragmento'? Also, how do you plan to handle 'Mystery Monitor' and 'Thought Adjuster'?
I find your questions very interesting and I hope my input is of some use to you.
Gerald
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Hi Ángel,
Yes, I think the two words are pretty much the same in both languages, but we don't seem to have a problem with the idea that the Adjuster is a "fragment" of God, and in a spiritual sense, not in a material sense. A penny is a fragment of a dollar but is still a valid part, not a broken piece. I suppose the word "part" could be used for "fragment." A person could possibly think of a cup of water from the ocean as a fragment of the ocean. Yes? It would be a small part of the ocean but of exactly the same essence as the ocean itself.
Before TUB we have never thought of spiritual things as being parted out, or fragmented, but I see no reason why the word has to be used only with material things. (Norm)
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hi angel, gerald, all
The problem with assuming that a literal translation is sufficient--is that 'fragment' does not really describe all the usage.
FRAGMENT as a 'qualified absolute':
"The actual source of the Adjuster must be infinite, and before fusion with the immortal soul of an evolving mortal, the reality of the Adjuster must border on absoluteness.
Adjusters are not absolutes in the universal sense, in the Deity sense, but they are probably true absolutes within the potentialities of their fragmented nature.
They are qualified as to universality but not as to nature; in extensiveness they are limited, but in intensiveness of meaning, value, and fact they are absolute.
For this reason we sometimes denominate the divine gifts as the qualified absolute fragments of the Father."[107:4:1180].
SEGMENT as fragment:
"The Adjusters are fragments of the ancestor of gravity, not the consequentials of gravity; they have segmentized on a universe level of existence which is hypothetically antecedent to gravity appearance." [107:4:1183]
ENTITY as fragment:
" Thought Adjusters are not personalities, but they are real entities; they are truly and perfectly individualized, although they are never, while indwelling mortals, actually personalized.
Thought Adjusters are not true personalities; they are true realities, realities of the purest order known in the universe of universes--they are the divine presence.
Though not personal, these marvelous fragments of the Father are commonly referred to as beings and sometimes, in view of the spiritual phases of their present ministry to mortals, as spirit entities."
ENTITY and BEING:
"Except in the Adjusters and other similar entities we do not witness these attributes of personality functioning in association with impersonal realities... neither would it be proper to allude to such an entity as superpersonal, but it would be entirely permissible to term such a being prepersonal."
'BEINGS' from above-- gives rise to the use of 'indwelling' to explain
certain 'fragment' usage:
" Thought Adjusters...volunteer to indwell human beings.
[they lay plans for man's eternal career, they adapt, modify, and substitute in accordance with circumstances, and these activities connote genuine volition...they have affection for mortals, they function in universe crises, they are always waiting to act decisively in accordance with human choice, and all these are highly volitional reactions." [107:7:1183].
The DIVINE GIFT as CELESTIAL MINISTERS:
" Not long since, Urantia underwent such a periodic inspection by Tabamantia, the sovereign supervisor of all life-experiment planets in the universe of Nebadon.
And the records reveal that, in addition to his admonitions and indictments delivered to the various chiefs of superhuman personalities, he also delivered the following acknowledgment to the chief of Adjusters, whether located on the planet, on Salvington, Uversa, or Divinington, we do not definitely know, but he said:
"Now to you, superiors far above me, I come as one placed in temporary authority over the experimental planetary series; and I come to express admiration and profound respect for this magnificent group of celestial ministers, the Mystery Monitors, who have volunteered to serve on this irregular sphere.
[No matter how trying the crises, you never falter.
Not on the records of Nebadon nor before the commissions of Orvonton has there ever been offered an indictment of a divine Adjuster.
You have been true to your trusts; you have been divinely faithful.
You have helped to adjust the mistakes and to compensate for the shortcomings of all who labor on this confused planet.
You are marvelous beings, guardians of the good in the souls of this backward realm.
I pay you respect even while you are apparently under my jurisdiction as volunteer ministers.
I bow before you in humble recognition of your exquisite unselfishness, your understanding ministry, and your impartial devotion.
You deserve the name of the Godlike servers of the mortal inhabitants of this strife-torn, grief-stricken, and disease-afflicted world. "
[108:5:1191]
Fragment as 'presence':
" The Adjuster is the mark of divinity, the presence of God"[108:6:1193].
" The Thought Adjuster is the cosmic window through which the finite creature may faith-glimpse the certainties and divinities of limitless Deity, the Universal Father."
AT PRESENT--neither gerald or angel's list--catches the many uses we have in all the papers:
"That is, as I conceive of the intended meaning of the UBook's term "Father Fragment", I understand that term as "a part broken off or detached" and "an isolated, unfinished, or incomplete part".
Both work for me.
Perhaps the combination of both works best to describe my understanding...'a part detached, isolated, unfinished, or incomplete'.
The first two descriptors -- 'detached and isolated' match my understanding of the UBook's intention as do 'unfinished, or incomplete'..."
The Divine Gift-is NOT a detached spirit--(Father fragments are among the natives of Divinington...[13:143].
WHY are we attempting a single TRANSLATION when the meaning is dependent on context.
ie 'indwelling' or 'indweller', 'entity' or 'entities', 'beings', 'ministers', 'presences', and 'cosmic window'.
thanks.
RESPUESTAS DE MINISTOS INTERCONFESIONALES
Lovely, description, Jan.
Luria also says that G-d cannot fragment but is one with everything.
However, G-d is perfection. Since nothing is missing in perfection in order to create in this world which is forever being created G-d must step back. So the human race is always hungry for that perfection and sometimes "sees" it when the perfection of G-d is present ( a sunrise, a baby, a smile) but G-d's perfection must be withdrawn to allow for creation towards perfection. We and G-d are in a constant state of creating and perfecting the world.
I wonder if, in Spanish, another translation for the word "fragment" might be emanation? This concept says since G-d is o Divine energy can never be fragmented but our short glimpses of G-d's perfection reflect an emanation of the whole that is G-d.
--- On Thu, 10/21/10, Jan Firstenberg
wrote:
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From: Jan Firstenberg
Subject: Re: [TNSAlumni] Question on the English word "Fragment" as in a Fragment of God
To: "'TNS Listserv'" , "Ángel F. Sánchez Escobar"
Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 9:24 AM
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Hi Angel,
I think the word "fragment" in that context means that some part of God is within each of us. My interpretation of that is simply that God is within each of us.
But a literal way that "fragment" might be used is by looking at the Jewish Kabbalistic view of God. In Kabbalistic Judaism, when the world was created, the world was thrown off balance as God revealed himself (forget gender for a minute), through rays of divine light. The act of creation formed vessels to hold the light. But the vessels were too fragile to contain such a powerful--Divine--light, and they shattered and threw the world off balance (and evil was also created as part of this creation). However the shattering of the vessels also created holy sparks of light that fell everywhere. One interpretation is that each of us has a holy spark of light (i.e. God) in us.
The Lurianic version of Kabbalah then continues and says it is our job to "repair the world" (i.e. tikkun olam) by recapturing the holy sparks and returning them to their proper place (i.e. raising them up), by performing acts of kindness (mitzvah).
NOTE: There's a lot more that could be said about this story of creation, and some of our Jewish scholars here could probably give a better version of what I said, but I think the short recap above suffices for this discussion :-)
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Great query, I too find the word
Disturbing on many levels. When
A friend of mine said we We were
Soul fragmentations in a great Soul
I could hardly
Wrapped my brain around... Perhaps
Were to look at the word as if we
Were like a pointillism painting, one
Dot that makes up the whole...
How could that be a noun?
Good Luck...
Best, Belle '06
